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Stuart McKears
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Sat Oct 30, 2004 2:43 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:40:58 +0100, Tony Morgan <tonymorgan@xtreme.pipex.net>
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Afraid not. Almost every cameraman/DoP will have used vaseline at some time in
their career.
Of course, never actually onto the lens but onto plain glass somewhere front
lens. This means that only a portion of the image can be made soft. You can
often see this most marked in quota films - a 2 shot with the male lead sharp
and rugged, the female lead soft and vulnerable!!
Almost everything has been tried, heard of HP sauce, sugar/oil mixture, you name
it.
Stuart
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Tony Morgan
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Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:44 am Post subject:
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In message <dof5o09ncbqtldrdo41nsdvcbi2sng2iar@4ax.com>, Stuart McKears
<postmaster@!$!mckears.delobvious.com> writes
| Quote: | On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:40:58 +0100, Tony Morgan <tonymorgan@xtreme.pipex.net
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An urban myth.
Afraid not. Almost every cameraman/DoP will have used vaseline at some time in
their career.
Of course, never actually onto the lens but onto plain glass somewhere front
lens. This means that only a portion of the image can be made soft. You can
often see this most marked in quota films - a 2 shot with the male lead sharp
and rugged, the female lead soft and vulnerable!!
Almost everything has been tried, heard of HP sauce, sugar/oil mixture,
you name
it.
I'm not suggesting that it's never done. |
What I am saying that the difference in a "grease-job" and a soft-focus
lens the picture (either still or movie) is clear to see. With the
latter the detail is retained, with the former it isn't.
Read Katz, or even better have a look at some of the classic movies
where soft-focus is extensively used (I've just had a look at my copy of
Casablanca which well demonstrates this).
Go to the National Gallery's photographic section or the National
Portrait Gallery [1] and have a look at some of the soft-focus portraits
- OK that's still photography, but just as valid in demonstrating the
difference between grease-jobs and soft-focus (lens use) where detail is
maintained. And for those who aren't sure what to look for, just examine
hair texture and (on close-ups) eyelashes.
[1] I'm lucky that there's a satellite National Portrait Gallery close
by me
at Bodelwyddan Castle.
And it's so easy for a-e-i-o-u to make uncheckable attributions to the
ASC. Which sort of confirms my view of a lot of Americans (not all
though). Unable to make qualitative assessment of either still or movie
image, they resort to support their argument by making such
attributions.
I'm going to bow out of this thread before someone from across the pond
says "Michael Curtiz told me so...." or something similar :-)
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Tony Morgan
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Tony Morgan
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Sat Oct 30, 2004 3:47 am Post subject:
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In message <erzgd.181729$4h7.34833342@twister.nyc.rr.com>, AnthonyR
<toomuchspam@tolisthere.com> writes
Snipped...
| Quote: | Tony,
Cool web link, thanks..
option 1, the use of a simple Gaussian blur on a second layer looks the
best of them all in my opinion. Neat trick to use in Post and no lens
filter needed.
:)
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I'm glad that you could recognise where detail is retained in soft-focus
shots. Something that the philistines seem to have difficulty in doing
(and, according to a-e-i-o-u, that includes the ASC).
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a-e-i-o-u-
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Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:01 am Post subject:
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"Tony Morgan" <tonymorgan@xtreme.pipex.net> wrote in message
news:YvmBM1BuatgBFwuK@zen54488.dircon.co.uk...
| Quote: | In message <erzgd.181729$4h7.34833342@twister.nyc.rr.com>, AnthonyR
toomuchspam@tolisthere.com> writes
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Tony,
Cool web link, thanks..
option 1, the use of a simple Gaussian blur on a second layer looks the
best of them all in my opinion. Neat trick to use in Post and no lens
filter needed.
:)
I'm glad that you could recognise where detail is retained in soft-focus
shots. Something that the philistines seem to have difficulty in doing
(and, according to a-e-i-o-u, that includes the ASC).
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You haven't done that Google search yet have ya? You don't know much about
what you are talking about, that's clear, but to continue to ignore Google
results..
I saw your site. You're clearly an amateur.The site is pretty funny, too.
Doesn't look like you even have any experience with pro-sumer cameras let
alone film cameras. And I can tell you have never even been within 100 miles
of a professional anything. You're working with toys and yet you feel well
enough informed to .. well .. this is a waste of time...
Come back when you know what you are talking about. Maybe a few more years.
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Martin Heffels
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Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:10 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:38:04 -0500, "RS" <idontthinkso@mail.com>
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| Quote: | I think you can get some effects like this by putting a nylon stocking over
the lens. The sheerness of the material will determine the blur.
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Nice suggestion, however, bear in mind the depth of field of a mini-dv
cam is practically from the front-element to infinity, if you shoot
anything but wide open. You'll see the net straight away!
cheers
-martin-
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Martin Heffels
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Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:12 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:53:38 GMT, "david.mccall"
<david.mccallUNDERLINE@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | but they aren't quite the same thing as a hand made effect (like Vaseline on
the lens).
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Oh, and no vaseline directly on the lens. You would regret forever :)
cheers
-martin-
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a-e-i-o-u-
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Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:17 am Post subject:
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"Tony Morgan" <tonymorgan@xtreme.pipex.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In message <dof5o09ncbqtldrdo41nsdvcbi2sng2iar@4ax.com>, Stuart McKears
postmaster@!$!mckears.delobvious.com> writes
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:40:58 +0100, Tony Morgan
tonymorgan@xtreme.pipex.net
And it's so easy for a-e-i-o-u to make uncheckable attributions to the
ASC. Which sort of confirms my view of a lot of Americans (not all
though). Unable to make qualitative assessment of either still or movie
image, they resort to support their argument by making such attributions.
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Hey Tony.. Go fuck yourself. You're a poser. You're a fucking amateur with
a shit website and no experience doing ANYTHING. Ya dumbshit. Ya fucking
limey dumbshit. |
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Tony Morgan
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Sat Oct 30, 2004 5:40 am Post subject:
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In message <GRAgd.15288$6q2.833@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, a-e-i-o-u-
<josef4t4@4sbcglobal.net> writes
Snipped more transatlantic rubbish.
| Quote: | Come back when you know what you are talking about. Maybe a few more
years.
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You're another yank who doesn't know his arsehole from his eyeballs...
Plonk...
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Tony Morgan
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Sat Oct 30, 2004 5:51 am Post subject:
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In message <14Bgd.15297$6q2.2683@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, a-e-i-o-u-
<josef4t4@4sbcglobal.net> writes
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"Tony Morgan" <tonymorgan@xtreme.pipex.net> wrote in message
news:df$AQXBJXtgBFwNz@zen54488.dircon.co.uk...
In message <dof5o09ncbqtldrdo41nsdvcbi2sng2iar@4ax.com>, Stuart McKears
postmaster@!$!mckears.delobvious.com> writes
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:40:58 +0100, Tony Morgan
tonymorgan@xtreme.pipex.net
And it's so easy for a-e-i-o-u to make uncheckable attributions to the
ASC. Which sort of confirms my view of a lot of Americans (not all
though). Unable to make qualitative assessment of either still or movie
image, they resort to support their argument by making such attributions.
Hey Tony.. Go fuck yourself. You're a poser. You're a fucking amateur with
a shit website and no experience doing ANYTHING. Ya dumbshit. Ya fucking
limey dumbshit.
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You're one of the yanks who cause the US to be either laughed at or
hated around the world.
And as an individual you don't have the intelligence of a lobotimised
wood-louse.
Since you don't know your arsehole from your eyeballs, I can guess
where your vaseline has come from...
ASC indeed... Dream on.
Plonk...
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a-e-i-o-u-
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Sat Oct 30, 2004 9:47 am Post subject:
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"Tony Morgan" <tonymorgan@xtreme.pipex.net> wrote in message
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sod off asshole. |
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Seattle Eric
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Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:32 am Post subject:
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So, what are the mechanical differences between a soft focus lens and
a....sharp focus lens? |
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Seattle Eric
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Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:34 am Post subject:
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We regularly put nylon BEHIND the lens in 16mm photography, but on a
XL-1 (only Canons let you behind the lens, right?) there doesn't appear
to be any clearance to get a net in there.
I'd be happy to be wrong on this.
Martin Heffels wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:38:04 -0500, "RS" <idontthinkso@mail.com
wrote:
I think you can get some effects like this by putting a nylon stocking over
the lens. The sheerness of the material will determine the blur.
Nice suggestion, however, bear in mind the depth of field of a mini-dv
cam is practically from the front-element to infinity, if you shoot
anything but wide open. You'll see the net straight away!
cheers
-martin-
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Seattle Eric
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Sat Oct 30, 2004 11:38 am Post subject:
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Damn you're stupid. Any filter can be used with any camera, dumbfuck.
You just shoot thru it.
Do you actually WORK in this field?
I'm with the brits: you're a wanker.
a-e-i-o-u- wrote:
| Quote: | I was referring to the methods used with film cameras.. which don't include
a mist filter for video cameras. .
I like your sig though. Seems appropriate.
"Seattle Eric" <noone@erehwon.gov> wrote in message
news:418289d8$0$11701$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net...
eye roll> Or you use one of the many common "mist" filters commercially
available.
Amateurs.
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Tony Morgan
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Sat Oct 30, 2004 12:05 pm Post subject:
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In message <418343a6$0$11696$8b463f8a@news.nationwide.net>, Seattle Eric
<noone@erehwon.gov> writes
| Quote: | So, what are the mechanical differences between a soft focus
lens and a....sharp focus lens?
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Spherical aberration designed into the lens.
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Martin Heffels
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Sat Oct 30, 2004 12:25 pm Post subject:
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On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:34:59 -0700, Seattle Eric <noone@erehwon.gov>
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| Quote: | We regularly put nylon BEHIND the lens in 16mm photography, but on a
XL-1 (only Canons let you behind the lens, right?) there doesn't appear
to be any clearance to get a net in there.
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That's a good one. Would be interesting to know.
-m-
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