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Ian Molton
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Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:05 am Post subject:
Re: Video editing in Linux? |
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SjT wrote:
| Quote: | I didn't know it was a prototype driver until i got it home and tried
it on linux, on the sales spew they claimed it was linux compatible.
You should have sent it back as improperly advertised.
But it ran really well on windows which is my main concern, at a very
low latency, i wasn't willing to give that up in the hope that i would
find another TA that would run with Linux.
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So, like I said you bought the hardware, and with M$ applications in
mind, you decided that was more important to you than linux.
You cant blame linux for
1) buying incompatible hardware
2) manufacturers claiming compatability that isnt.
| Quote: | So whats your beef with it? if it did most of the work for you thats a
GOOD thing, right?
Yeah its a great thing, but it didn't enable me to set up my ISDN
connection,
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YAST didnt use ESP to magically set up unsupported hardware for you.
what a shock.
| Quote: | Also soft synths need a low latency so that when you strike the key on
the keyboard (MIDI keyboard) there's not a delay.
True, but the latency on that type of thing is mostly in the effects
processing, IME.
Nah, no matter what effects you have running the latency is not
affected it remains solid throughout, it's only when the actual
plugins exceed the resources on your machine that it will just fall
apart.
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Utter bollocks. whilst its probably true that your PCs CPU can do the
processing so fast that you dont need to care these days, the latency of
the processing is *ENTIRELY* dependant on the speed of the CPU. Trust
me, I've written software to do realtime processing of audio input as
part of my hobby (radio astronomy).
the soundcard (and driver) will introduce a specific (fixed) delay also,
under normal circumstances, but theres not much your OS can do about
that given a competantly written driver / kernel.
| Quote: | In fact whenever someone tells me how weak and unstable Win XP is i
always think of my machine at home processing all that while
downloading from the web and checking for email etc.
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speed and stability are not related.
| Quote: | To give Windows some credit you can end unwanted tasks in XP unlike
you could in previous versions and actually save your work before it
all ended in a mess :)
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You expect unix users to give windows credit for catching up on one
feature over 25 years behind *every other* OS out there?
| Quote: | I'd also use gnome rather than KDE but thats personal prefernce speaking.
Would i be able to do that with SuSE after it's installed? or do you
have to stick with the interface supplied with the distro?
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most distros supply both KDE and GNOME.
| Quote: | Dunno if i would use it over IE if i had the choice though, as
sometimes it's nice to lay back and have buttons to press :D
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Use a graphical browser then. Firefox and Konqueror have tabbed browsing
AND pretty buttons.
| Quote: | This is the strength of OSS - choice!
You beleive theres more choice on linux than on windows then? Truly?
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Lets put some parameters on that...
1) Given unlimited cash, no, theres no difference. you can buy anything.
2) Given no cash, you cant even have windows. OSS wins.
3) In the middle, yes, theres more choice. you can have everyhting
windows does AND all the free OSS stuff.
| Quote: | I would only be playing on a partition that small, normally projects
need at least 15GB unfortunately. But yeah it will give me an idea, i
thought 2GB would be huge for a linux install, i'm guessing the apps
are becoming just as bloated as windows apps?
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Whilst its true that (some) linux apps are on the big side at the
moment, they do tend to get trimmed down from time to time (more
frequently than windows apps anyhow).
But...
Ahve you tried counting how many apps are on those SUSE CDs ?
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Ian Molton
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Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:06 am Post subject:
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SjT wrote:
| Quote: | No, i meant how do i get to the command line using the KDE interface?
Poor english ;)
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Open a terminal. |
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Ian Molton
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Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:07 am Post subject:
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SjT wrote:
| Quote: | I'm with stupid ---> peter@seahaze.demon.co.uk (Peter Hayes) wrote:
If so is that an issue with SuSE and binary distros? or is that just
how linux works and if you want to move to the latest kernel you will
have to do a bit of maintenance?
Only "move to the latest kernel" if there's a good and valid reason.
There was a reason, but i can't remember what, firewire support
possibly?!
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Nope. that would have been possible as a module. |
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SjT
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Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:52 pm Post subject:
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I'm with stupid ---> Ian Molton <spyro@f2s.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Even if you make a malicious version you still have to GFET it onto
other peoples machines. If you can get people to run you're code they
are f*cked anyway (and stupid). At that point it doesnt matter what you
sent them - a raw trojan or a hidden one in a piece of sourcecode.
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No as the malicious version, say, open office for example, would run
totally normal for months and months until that person suddenly finds
out that they've been had either by some serious CC theft or just
reading a news item somewhere.
| Quote: | You want me to go out and find a vulnerability?! Is that what you're
asking?!
Sure. You claimed that given the source and your considerable expertise
in C, you would be able to find a vulnerability in no time.
Back up your claim.
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I haven't got the drive or time to do it to be honest, but it's easy
as fuck, all i gotta do is take the source file and add my own routine
in there and send it on for someone to use..
When i get linux i will modify some code and send to you, just
something silly like deleting files or something along those lines.
| Quote: | I've only used C (At home) for messing around with allegro for games
Ahh, so you *dont* have any real expertise in C then?
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No, because i only use it for games and databases that's not classed
as 'real' expertise. What point are you trying to make?! i've used C
since i moved from Z on the amiga.
| Quote: | I don't like BitTorrent as i can't get the bastarding ports open,
Why? cant you administer a firewall?
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Yes i can it's my job, i've tried putting my machine in a DMZ and it
still doesn't work so it's my ISP.
You're a very defensive cynic aren't you?! Can't you see i'm not
wanting an argument with you, neither am i wanting to bullshit you,
i'm actually asking for a hand and understanding what makes OSS so
secure over CSS.
| Quote: | the transfer method is irrelevant. I could have pigeons carry the code
from the server to my house, written on little bits of paper in hex. As
long as the signature and checksums verify, the odds are very (VERY)
good that the file is genuine.
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Would you get the sigs and checksums seperate from the download? or
would you rely on them being included.. If they are included whats the
chances of them being modified too?!
| Quote: | It is more insecure,
If so why do M$ use linux DNS servers?
Because they are coded by themselves i would imagine.
Laughable.
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You think MS are not capable of coding in linux?! You really have got
a problem with MS havent you?
If it wasn't because of them you wouldn't have half the things you use
today, they've really pushed the home market excessively.
| Quote: | Comeon, you're hell bent against MS Windows,
Nope. I have a windows machine (as I mentioned earlier). I choose not to
use it for anything other than reverse engineering windows drivers,
though. My partners machine can dual boot. My friends get help running
whatever OS they choose from me.
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What do you use your computer for though? i mean it sounds like all
you do is code and tinker around, i see nothing that really pushes
linux to the point where you would have to boot up windows.
| Quote: | it's a marvel of programming i beleive.
Your beliefs are your own...
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No other company has managed such an OS to my knowledge.
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SjT
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Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:53 pm Post subject:
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I'm with stupid ---> Ian Molton <spyro@f2s.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Incorrect. its not hard at all to mod a CSS binary to behave in ways
other than it is intended to. heck, virii and worms even do so
automatically!
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They attach themselves to the file and therefore can be spotted by
virus checkers, you would actually have to modify the source code to
get through this, sure you probably can mod CSS binaries but it's not
something that i could perform, yet i could call up the source code
for OSS in notepad and make changes, it's that easy as you well know.
| Quote: | yet it is possible with OSS, open your eyes before starting to label
me as a troll.
Its possible on ANY software binary.
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It's possible but not as easy, that is the point i am making. And
when/if linux becomes big then this will possibly become a problem.
| Quote: | IOW, your box is potentially insecure, but you dont care because its not
externally connected. thanks for clearing that up. Its now clear how
come it has an uptime over a few weeks.
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If it's not connected to the outside world there is not going to be an
issue with it, you asked how long it has been running for and i told
you, i'm not wanting to compete with you ffs.
| Quote: | btw, try netcraft to see what sort of uptimes REAL windows servers tend
to get...
embarrasing eh?
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No, i am not a MS supporter, i just use their software through
convinience, i wouldnt care if the MS HQ was blown up tomorrow, you
ask me questions and i reply, i'm giving you the flipside to the
arguments that you throw my way i am not bias towards any OS because
all they are is a means to an end.
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SjT
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Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:53 pm Post subject:
Re: Video editing in Linux? |
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I'm with genius ---> "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I haven't insulted anyone?! I'm the one being insulted!!
Take a look at your quote message, when you have quoted someone, thats insulting.
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Better?!
It's hardly insulting really is it? Not when it's a generic quote.
Does that mean people are going to stop calling me Troll? No i doubt
it because it's one rule for them one rule for the rest of the net.
| Quote: | You have to wieght it against closed source, and if you keep yourself up to
date, you will suffer a lot less with opensource than with closed source when
it comes to the security holes, even if every hacker on the earth can read the
code and find the security hole, as it takes a lot less time before you have a
patch, as there are far more eyes checking how to fix the problem, while
closed source there is quite few who has access to the source and be able to
release a patch.
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What if i don't want to be checking to make sure i'm up to date?! I
use software for over 12 months before even thinking whether an update
is available, i don't want to be looking on sourceforge or linux-scene
every other day to make sure someone hasn't found a hole in my
software.
| Quote: | What makes you think OSS users are checking for updates every day?!
Let see, most distros makes tools that are used to check up for updates, which
even handles the update for you, so you won't have to do a shit.
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Does this cover the software you have downloaded or just those
included with the original distro?
| Quote: | I am not going to sit there and check the source code for every app
that i run on my machine, sorry but thats madness and i'm sure even
you don't do it?!
At least you have the possibility, you don't have with closed source.
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But i don't want that possibility!!?! I just want to install an OS,
run a few apps, turn it off and continue with my night.. thats all i
want, i don't want to be checking digital signatures for each
download, and i dont want to be looking at linux news pages to make
sure the software i downloaded last week had been exploited.
| Quote: | No, you won't get the exact same C code, as you won't be able to know the
names of own defined functions nor variables after the source has been
compiled, but you will get simple replacement names like function_a(),
funcktion_b(), ... and variable_a, variable_b, ...
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Interesting, i wasn't aware that you could draw that from a binary.
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SjT
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Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:54 pm Post subject:
Re: Video editing in Linux? |
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I'm with genius ---> Ian Molton <spyro@f2s.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I'm with stupid ---> Ian Molton <spyro@f2s.com> wrote:
Could you cut that out? its more than slightly childish.
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You're too uptight, i post on 16 groups and not one person has
mentioned it apart from to laugh about it.
Can i presume that people will stop with the childish troll remarks
then?
| Quote: | are you seriiously suggesting people will flock to my site to download
ianlinux in preference to the real deal?
perhaps they will. more fool them. They should have checked the linux
sourcecodes signatures. alternativly they could have run a diff over
ianlinux compared to mainstream linux and the exploit would be
immediately obvious.
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Comeon, yes, Computer geeks (Sorry to term it like that) would do this
as it's their passion, but linux requires more home users to push
hardware manufacturers into making their hardware compliant.
I fix computers some nights to earn a bit of extra cash for myself and
trust me (as you probably know too) very few people will go to the
bother of doing that, and to be fair why should they?
Most people are conditioned to the fact now that you run windows,
install a firewall, virus checker and spyware guard and you're gonna
be pretty much safe as long as they auto update each day. With linux
you may need to go further than that in the future.. but hey, who
knows its all just talk.
| Quote: | In
many cases the original program doesnt even need to continue to work, as
long as the hack installs the backdoor - the user will just think 'oh,
my dodgy copy doesnt work... ah well.'
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This same user could be using OSS on linux, think about that.
| Quote: | What kind of protection is employed to prevent this from happening? i
know you've mentioned digital signing, is that something that the
original author would pay and have submitted?
No. its completely free. Perhaps you should read around the subject?
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Well yeah, if i need to do ensure i don't use dodgy software i will.
I can't see why anyone would want to sit and approve software for no
reward, makes you wonder if they get checked fully, unless it's a case
of submitting it to board of people who just give it the once over.
I mean, what if there was code added which deletes your files how
would those checking the source know whether it should be there or
not?! You would only have to label it up as clearing up temporary
files and they would probably skip it! :D
| Quote: | Well someone laughed at me when i mentioned there were top linux
groups out there for this purpose?!
download site != group.
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Oh comeon you're just being pedantic now, are now you telling me that
linux groups do not have websites?!!
| Quote: | Hopefully youd run the untrusted binary in a chroot or such to minimise
any impact...
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Lot of messing around though isn't it?
Why not stick to windows CSS and just run a virus checker? ;)
| Quote: | You don't need to inject it, you bring up the source code and
incorporate it into the original source, failing that you could put it
in one of the files that main.c calls.
You really have no idea how C works do you?
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You really have very little faith in me, how the hell can i prove to
you that i know how C works.. put it this way i use it pretty much
every week at work, i dabble with it at home as i would love to write
a footy management game, my one love in computing is coding... do i
need to say more?! I could post pages of C code here but it would not
really help as most of the functions are dependant on what includes
you have made, as you well know there are only a small number of
actual C functions as standard.
The libraries that you would use with linux probably differ from the
standard VC libraries that i use too, it's not simply a case of
learning C, in fact C is fucking easy to learn it's using the damn
thing and praying that there's a decent library out there that you can
use yourself.
I also program eproms and so i had to learn alot about the Z80 chips a
few years back, that was a right pain in the arse to get a succesful
run, nothing to do with knowing C or not though, it was all to do with
understanding the chips functions and pissing about with flags.
It's something i dread doing whenever an update is required purely
because it's not something i do everytime, but the point i'm making is
that C is not the issue for me when learning how to code in C, strange
as that may sound.
| Quote: | The modification would have to go through a project developer to get
into the official package. they would run a diff and would reject any
code they didnt agree with / understand the purpose of.
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Ok, so the original author of the software releases the official
package, what happens then if say 10-20 alternative versions come
back? how do they decide which one to put up? do they just put them
all up with different version numbers and this is why sometimes in
linux you hear of older versions being better than newer versions?
| Quote: | Some people do not have web access as so choose to download through
P2P's or newsgroups.
As long as you verify package signatures, that should be fine.
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Does all linux software have package signature without fail?
| Quote: | Huh? both CSS and OSS are streams of data when downloaded. what makes
you think automated checking of one is possible but not the other?
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Because as i've stated before you could incorporate your own code into
a OSS and have it not detected, whereas with CSS the majority of
malicous code is tagged on to the file and noted by any virus checkers
you have running.
| Quote: | Would you say that OSS would be more risky for moronic users than CSS
then?
No, I'd say it'd be exactly the same.
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I'm gonna be a moronic user and see what happens to me ;)
| Quote: | M$ have never produced a patch in under a day. dont bullshit. and your
'server' isnt sitting out there in the wild, its a poxy no-load internal
nothing server.
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I thought you claimed that MS Windows couldn't stay up for as long?
You're now putting clauses on that you must install software that
causes you to reboot your machine.. rather odd clause i find?
And this poxy no-load internal nothing server is doing a great job
serving a fair number of users, and has been doing so faultlessly.
The problem with that is... ?
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Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:56 pm Post subject:
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I'm with stupid ---> Ian Molton <spyro@f2s.com> wrote:
| Quote: | So, like I said you bought the hardware, and with M$ applications in
mind, you decided that was more important to you than linux.
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No, i checked the card before buying it and asus listed it as being
compatible with linux, it didnt' work on their prototype drivers so
rather than take a good card back to the shop for one with lesser
performance so i stuck with as the majority of time i will be running
windows.
| Quote: | You cant blame linux for
1) buying incompatible hardware
2) manufacturers claiming compatability that isnt.
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I can blame linux, what happened to these approval bodies we were
discussing?! where were they when asus decided to tell the world that
the ISDN adapter ran fine on linux when in fact it was on prototype
drivers at the time.
| Quote: | Yeah its a great thing, but it didn't enable me to set up my ISDN
connection,
YAST didnt use ESP to magically set up unsupported hardware for you.
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I'm not expect it to set it up 'for me' i said that it didn't enable
me to setup my connection.
| Quote: | Utter bollocks. whilst its probably true that your PCs CPU can do the
processing so fast that you dont need to care these days, the latency of
the processing is *ENTIRELY* dependant on the speed of the CPU. Trust
me, I've written software to do realtime processing of audio input as
part of my hobby (radio astronomy).
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You are not of the standard of those at steinberg then as they pull it
off with ease and allow third party plugins to use the VST
architecture to perform as well as their own plugins, i use this
software every day and therefore know it to be the case.
Upgrading my CPU recently i gained the benefit of adding more FX and
instruments, no more latency though.
| Quote: | the soundcard (and driver) will introduce a specific (fixed) delay also,
under normal circumstances, but theres not much your OS can do about
that given a competantly written driver / kernel.
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I don't know if linux supports it or not but the driver architect was
designed by steinberg, its known as ASIO, The latency for the
soundblaster Audigy 2 using this architecture can be as low as around
3ms i beleive, pretty impressive for a shit OS dont you think?
| Quote: | To give Windows some credit you can end unwanted tasks in XP unlike
you could in previous versions and actually save your work before it
all ended in a mess :)
You expect unix users to give windows credit for catching up on one
feature over 25 years behind *every other* OS out there?
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Not true, windows NT has always been able to perform this. All
they've done is moved the NT technology to home users.
| Quote: | Lets put some parameters on that...
1) Given unlimited cash, no, theres no difference. you can buy anything.
2) Given no cash, you cant even have windows. OSS wins.
3) In the middle, yes, theres more choice. you can have everyhting
windows does AND all the free OSS stuff.
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Cash?! it all comes down to cash?!
Whatabout availability?! I want the equivalent of Cubase SX on linux -
not available, i wasnt the equivalent of Vegas - Not available, ok
then give me a few of the top games - Not available, although you can
have these mid 90's point and click adventures and run a counterstrike
server.
| Quote: | Ahve you tried counting how many apps are on those SUSE CDs ?
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Don't even talk about it, there's hundreds, and i should have been
happy with playing with them really, but i wanted to download a few
apps and fell short, as i've said this time i'm determined to get it
right and hopefully will enjoy it and join you in singing its praises.
At the moment i'm very doubtful but i do want all that everyone praise
about linux, i just beleive alot of it is 'idealistic' talk though.
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Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:45 pm Post subject:
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SjT wrote:
| Quote: | No, because i only use it for games and databases that's not classed
as 'real' expertise. What point are you trying to make?! i've used C
since i moved from Z on the amiga.
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Z as in "no Zuch language for Amiga"?
Z as "MicroZoft Basic for Amiga"?
| Quote: | I don't like BitTorrent as i can't get the bastarding ports open,
Why? cant you administer a firewall?
Yes i can it's my job, i've tried putting my machine in a DMZ and it
still doesn't work so it's my ISP.
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Tried to change default ports to use? I guess not.
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Would you get the sigs and checksums seperate from the download? or
would you rely on them being included.. If they are included whats the
chances of them being modified too?!
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Usually you trust the md5sum that is provided by the author on the projects
homepage, of course you can trust the md5sum that is announced on other sites,
but that is like trusting a serial killer not to kill you when he has the lust
for killing.
| Quote: | it's a marvel of programming i beleive.
Your beliefs are your own...
No other company has managed such an OS to my knowledge.
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You mean no other company has borrowed so much from others and then claimed it
been their work? MS-Win wouldn't have got online without BSD code.
MS had to buy up an OS developer to be able to release another type of OS than
the add on stuff for MSDos (or should we still call it qDos, which they did
buy and equip the IBMs with an operating system).
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Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:49 pm Post subject:
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SjT wrote:
| Quote: | I'm with genius ---> "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> wrote:
I haven't insulted anyone?! I'm the one being insulted!!
Take a look at your quote message, when you have quoted someone, thats insulting.
Better?!
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No
| Quote: | It's hardly insulting really is it? Not when it's a generic quote.
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It's insulting, regadles if it's your generci quote or not.
| Quote: | Does that mean people are going to stop calling me Troll? No i doubt
it because it's one rule for them one rule for the rest of the net.
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This has much to do with your attitude.
| Quote: | I am not going to sit there and check the source code for every app
that i run on my machine, sorry but thats madness and i'm sure even
you don't do it?!
At least you have the possibility, you don't have with closed source.
But i don't want that possibility!!?! I just want to install an OS,
run a few apps, turn it off and continue with my night.. thats all i
want, i don't want to be checking digital signatures for each
download, and i dont want to be looking at linux news pages to make
sure the software i downloaded last week had been exploited.
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No one is asking you to do that, regadles what OS you use, your machine will
be classed unsecure.
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J.O. Aho
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Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:54 pm Post subject:
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SjT wrote:
| Quote: | Huh? both CSS and OSS are streams of data when downloaded. what makes
you think automated checking of one is possible but not the other?
Because as i've stated before you could incorporate your own code into
a OSS and have it not detected, whereas with CSS the majority of
malicous code is tagged on to the file and noted by any virus checkers
you have running.
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So this is why virus detectors don't detect new types of viruses?
You know that there are those which disable both your virus checker and
firewall... great ain't it?
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SjT
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Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:02 pm Post subject:
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"J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> Kissed me, Licked me, then left me a
note:
| Quote: | Z as in "no Zuch language for Amiga"?
Z as "MicroZoft Basic for Amiga"?
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Sorry i meant to say Amiga E there, dont know what came over me, i've
used Z somewhere along the line, i think there was an assembler called
Z.
| Quote: | Yes i can it's my job, i've tried putting my machine in a DMZ and it
still doesn't work so it's my ISP.
Tried to change default ports to use? I guess not.
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No as the app i was running would only accept 7001-7009 from memory, i
wasn't hugely bothered about it anyway as it was only a few japanese
anime series which will eventually make their way here in 2008. :)
| Quote: | Usually you trust the md5sum that is provided by the author on the projects
homepage, of course you can trust the md5sum that is announced on other sites,
but that is like trusting a serial killer not to kill you when he has the lust
for killing.
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I've noticed that you and Ian both recommend to only download from the
'official' places, whatever they may be, does this mean that people
are pissing about with source code to try and catch newbies out?!
I'd like to know as i'll be giving SuSE a good play this week and i'm
worried now..
| Quote: | No other company has managed such an OS to my knowledge.
You mean no other company has borrowed so much from others and then claimed it
been their work? MS-Win wouldn't have got online without BSD code.
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Excuse me, but you are slating microsoft for doing exactly what linux
users/coders are encouraged to do, and that is to take someone elses
original code to create something better/more functional etc.
| Quote: | MS had to buy up an OS developer to be able to release another type of OS than
the add on stuff for MSDos (or should we still call it qDos, which they did
buy and equip the IBMs with an operating system).
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And your problem with that is what..?!
I said that XP is a work of genius, it's only my opinion, i don't care
who wrote what bits and what code was stolen from who, it's a very
good piece of software, sure it has security flaws, but on the plus
side it works very well and considering how many groups are out there
(Thats groups not individuals) who spend half their time trying to
exploit it i don't think they're doing too bad.
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SjT
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Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:02 pm Post subject:
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"J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> Kissed me, Licked me, then left me a
note:
| Quote: | I haven't insulted anyone?! I'm the one being insulted!!
Take a look at your quote message, when you have quoted someone, thats insulting.
Better?!
No
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Better?! I changed that all for you! :D
| Quote: | It's hardly insulting really is it? Not when it's a generic quote.
It's insulting, regadles if it's your generci quote or not.
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Look i aint even gonna start arguing about this as you're being
pathetic.
As i said before i've been called a troll because i expressed negative
thoughts about Linux, thats all, i make a one-off post declaring that
'ALL LINUX USERS ARE GHEY!!" did i? i'm still here and i'm still
discussing things with you and Ian, i'm gonna say my piece and it
gives you a chance to represent the linux community.
Anyone who is reading this thread may appreciate it for dis-spelling
some myths therefore i am not a troll, in fact i'm struggling now with
you to keep this on topic rather than discussing my quirky quotes.
| Quote: | want, i don't want to be checking digital signatures for each
download, and i dont want to be looking at linux news pages to make
sure the software i downloaded last week had been exploited.
No one is asking you to do that, regadles what OS you use, your machine will
be classed unsecure.
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If that's how it is then OSS has as many cons (albeit different ones)
as CSS, which is as i thought, conversation ended.
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SjT
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Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:11 pm Post subject:
Re: Video editing in Linux? |
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"J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> Kissed me, Licked me, then left me a
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| Quote: | So this is why virus detectors don't detect new types of viruses?
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You can enable smart scans on the virus checkers which will stop any
virus like activity writing to your system files etc. As you well
know.
| Quote: | You know that there are those which disable both your virus checker and
firewall... great ain't it?
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Well just as a linux user should check their digital signatures on
file downloads and the groups for updates to all their current
software, windows users get a bit of an inkling when their firewall or
antivirus icon is showing as disabled.
I wouldn't say it's great though.
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Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:38 pm Post subject:
This is a Dumb-ass thread for rec.video.procuction. |
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While the original poster's inquiry was in on-topic for
rec.video.production, this thread has wandered so far afield as to become
completely useless.
Please remove rec.video.production from the post list.
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| Quote: | "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> Kissed me, Licked me, then left me a
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So this is why virus detectors don't detect new types of viruses?
You can enable smart scans on the virus checkers which will stop any
virus like activity writing to your system files etc. As you well
know.
You know that there are those which disable both your virus checker and
firewall... great ain't it?
Well just as a linux user should check their digital signatures on
file downloads and the groups for updates to all their current
software, windows users get a bit of an inkling when their firewall or
antivirus icon is showing as disabled.
I wouldn't say it's great though.
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